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On electing a Christian in Jordan Islamic group (IAF)


According to the UPI, Jordan's Islamic Action Front, the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, elected the first Christian to its leadership. The IAF said on its Web site Monday that Aziz Masaadeh, 44,who joined the group five years ago has been chosen in the administrative board of its branch in Amman. Mr. Masaaded will run on the third circle Christian seat on behalf of the IAF.

Whether this move reflects a change in the IAF's primary mission to establish an Islamic state that follows a strict rule of Al shariah law to all citizen of Jordan, or a "PR" attempt to boost the organization's image as being one that is tolerant enough to accommodate non-Muslims, one can only speculate!

My take on the IAF, is that it has a non Jordanian Agenda. For the last two decades, the IAF almost always chose to be in the wrong side against Jordan's national interests. The list includes the crisis with Hamas, Iran, Zarqawi and others to say the least. I also despise the IAF's sets of priority as they care more for their Muslim or ideological non-Jordanian brothers who live thousand of miles away form them over their non-Muslims or secular Jordanian citizens who might live across the street from their homes and offices.

The problem with this move in my opinion can be summarized with the fact that Mr. Massadeh who I do not know much about does not understand the idea behind the quota system. In my opinion, the quota system which was established in the first place to give minority groups (women, ethnic or religious groups) a voice, opinion and representation in the parliament so that their rights can be protected from the majority. Now I am not sure if this minority who happens to be Christian and lives in that geographical area would appreciates the fact that their representative assimilated too far to join a group that would endanger their rights to worship and thrive. Call me biased but Freud was right when he said," the best prediction of the future is the past," and so far the IAF's past records toward minorities in general was not the brightest.

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اتهمت منظمات حقوقية أردنية سلطات عمان بانتهاك حقوق السجناء الإسلاميين وعائلاتهم وتجاهل كافة المناشدات والمطالب بشأنهم.

وقالت أسماء داوودية والدة أحد المعتقلين في سجن الجويدة للجزيرة نت إن المعتقلين يمنعون من صلاة الجماعة والجمعة، ومن الزيارات الخاصة التي تمكنهم من احتضان أطفالهم.

وصرح الناشط في المنظمة العربية لحقوق الإنسان عبد الكريم الشريدة للجزيرة نت على هامش مؤتمر صحفي عقد بمناسبة إضراب معتقلي سجن الجويدة في العاصمة عمان، بأن الإضرابات والاحتجاجات تكررت بشكل لافت في الآونة الأخيرة، متهما المسؤولين في الأمن العام الأردني بتجاهل مطالب منظمات حقوق الإنسان وشكاوى عائلات السجناء.


شكاوى من التعذيب
وعزز من انتقادات المنظمة تقرير أصدره الخميس المركز الوطني لحقوق الإنسان، سجل فيه تكرار الإضرابات من التنظيمات الإسلامية "احتجاجا على ظروف السجون".

وسجل التقرير وقائع عدة قال إنها انتهاكات للمواثيق الدولية والقوانين التي تحكم عمل السجون في البلاد، متحدثا عن وجود موقوفين لم توجه لهم أي تهم في سجن المخابرات العامة، بلغت مدة احتجاز بعضهم أكثر من عامين.

ولفت المركز الذي تموله الحكومة الأردنية، في تقريره إلى تكرار شكاوى سجناء وموقوفين في عدد من السجون من تعرضهم للتعذيب، على الرغم من مصادقة الحكومة على اتفاقية مناهضة التعذيب الدولية، وتعميم مدير الأمن العام لمنتسبي جهاز الشرطة بعدم استخدام وسائل الإكراه والتقيد بما جاء في الاتفاقية.

وطالب التقرير الذي حصلت الجزيرة نت على نسخة منه، الحكومة بتعديل القوانين لتجريم أعمال التعذيب وتشديد العقوبات على مرتكبيها، وعدم سقوط جرائم التعذيب بالتقادم وعدم شمولها بالعفو العام، والنص على حق ضحايا التعذيب في التعويض المباشر من الدولة.

ومن أبرز ما طالب به المركز أن ينتقل الإشراف على السجون من أجهزة الأمن للجهاز القضائي.
http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4045D640-EE1D-4B36-8B1B-32E23454EC51.htm

Salim said...

what is the realtion between your comment and what Shifaa is posting about?

Anonymous said...

مسيحي أردني يستقيل من جبهة العمل الإسلامي بعد انتخابه قياديا بها
http://www.alarabiya.net/Articles/2007/02/24/32007.htm

Salim said...

heheheh... Well that did not last long ha?!!

Anonymous said...

sigh...true Islam....christians and jews must be ruled over.....government and decisions for muslims alone.... turn on al jazeera and listen to calls
for al shariah law.....kill the convert...

Just say NO to intolerant and hateful Islam....surely this cannot be from a just Allah....

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Islam needs to be reformed. Most Muslims are resistant to the idea because they percieve this reform as a hidden western agenda. That why Islam should be reformed from within. From inside out by moderate Islamic scholars who believe that life and civil societys change over time and rules and regulations that were used by the prophet to run the daily life of Arabs in the sixth century is no longer applicable or useful in the 21st century.

Abdullah said...

ya3ni when they do something bad u attack them and when they do something good u also attack them. First of all the poor guy was pressured into quiting, he is a christian who beleives in the islamic shariah. Just as their are many muslims who beleive in a liberal secular form of goverment, whats the problem or is it because its called Islamic shariah thats why u automaticaly oppose it. If they had the same ideas but with some french name probably many would accept it. This bigotry u carry towards IAF is best explained as pure ignorance, u probably didnt take a while from ur time to read the IAF's goals and principles, oh wait their islamic we hate them, Im not a fan of the IAF im more pan-arabist but still i respect them as a representitive of a very wide margin of Jordanians. Nothing in him being elected contradicts their principles or even those of Islam. A true chiristian and not some secularist with a cross on his chest, shouldnt have a problem with Islamic rule, both are not allowed to steal, kill, commit adultry so, many might argue on how to prevent such things but not on the principal. Egypt, Jordan & Syria have millions of christians living in them and they didnt just appear they have been living their for hundreds of years under Islamic law, christian arabs actually lived better under Muslims than under the crusaders. As for ur take miss a non-jordanian agenda ?? oh haha they are iranians huh what "Hamas, Iran, Zarqawi" ok the Hamas play if u beleive it then u are seriously not worth reading. The second and third contradict each other u cant be with Iran then Zarqawi the latter was killing shiites in the hundreds. As for supporting Iran they are not u can read what they wrote on their website, actually they are much more pragmatic and neutral then the (ta7alof al mo3tadileen). As for Zarqawi they condemned his attacks many times, the two members who visited him are just dumb true they should have kicked them out of the party but this doesnt mean they are Salafi wahhabis if they didnt. My favourite sentence is "that would endanger their rights to worship and thrive" hahaha where in Islam or in any relgious muslim text does it say our christian brothers cannot pray and thrive, what the hell how are there thousand year old churchs in all muslim controlled areas. Arab christians are as arab as any arab muslim they have the right of a muslim to worship and thrive thats Islam, not the form u invented. As for the futures prediction is the past, how is their a past not the brightest miss, what 50 years ago when they ruled jordan they went and massacred christian villages hahaha i swear ur funny, they never did they never ruled since the groups excistence nor do they have a bad record towards minorties. Go read educate urself not every many with a beard is IAF member nor is every IAF have a beard. You and your stereotypes

Shifaa said...

Abdullah, thanks for your detailed and thoruogh reponce. I guess we all need more education, but thanks for the advice.
Here my take on the IAF. How can a so called Jordanian party disagreed with Jordan national interest all the time. Not even once they took a stand to support the government of their country. Examples are plenty. THey went to Syria and when AlAsad ridiculted Jordan First slogan they stood up clapping for his remark. They supported Zaraqai. You said, "they should have kicked the two members out of the party" Well they did not. Why? They knew that such a stand which is so basic will probably split their party in half or more. They knew well that Zaraqai is percieved as a hero and a martyer by most of their followers.

Regarding the past.They did not kill Christians however their agenda favor their Mulsim brothers in Bangladish over their Chritian neigbours. They are smart enough not to paste this on their website, but several members of their groups and under the Parlimant debates called their Christians MPs as slaves. Basam ALokoush fight with Al Rabadi is one of many examples. Do not be naieve, if they take over the government the civilized way of living in Jordan as we know it now will disappear for eternity.

Anonymous said...

وقال غالاوي «نحن نفعل ما نستطيع، وسنستمر في الصراخ حتى تنقطع أنفاسنا، لكننا نريد أن نسمع الإجابات في شوارع المدن العربية والإسلامية التي تمارس أنظمتها الصورية من رؤساء وملوك، الزنى علنا مع بوش وبلير و(رئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلي إيهود) أولمرت، وتؤدي الرقص الشرقي معهم، وتتحمل مسؤولية ما يحدث».
وحمل غالاوي الدول العربية مسؤولية العقوبات الاقتصادية التي فرضت على العراق قبل الغزو، كما أن «غزو العراق تم عن طريق الدول العربية المجاورة، ولهذا أقول إن رؤساء وملوك الرقص الشرقي العربي الفاسدين هم في قلب المشكلة التي يعاني منها العراق».
(يو بي آي)


Just to say your Islamic Brotherhood Party originally created and founded by CIA in Iran then moved to Egypt from there we go...

Any one knows that man he is Egyptian IBP member he is hired by UK intelligence?

Anonymous said...

أثارت لقاءات أجراها السفير الأميركي في الأردن ديفد هيل مع أطراف شعبية مؤخرا جدلا واسعا دفع الحركة الإسلامية لاعتبارها تعديا على السيادة وتجاوزا للأعراف الدبلوماسية.

وكانت صحيفة "الديار" اليومية قد نشرت الأحد الماضي خبرا عن لقاء عقده السفير هيل مع شيوخ عشائر أردنية حرضهم خلاله على الحركة الإسلامية، وهو ما دفع بمراقب الإخوان في الأردن سالم الفلاحات لمطالبة الحكومة بالتحقيق فيما نشر.

الفلاحات قال للجزيرة نت إن الخبر إن صح فإنه يعني أن السفير الأميركي يسعى لتخريب المجتمع الأردني وأنه تجاوز الأعراف الدبلوماسية، وأضاف "هذا تدخل مباشر وسافر من السفير الأميركي في السيادة الأردنية واعتداء صارخ عليها".

Anonymous said...

if they take over the government the civilized way of living in Jordan as we know it now will disappear for eternity.

ونفى فلاحات أن تكون علاقة الجماعة بإيران أقوى من علاقتها بالعرب، مشيراً إلى أن الجماعة هي جزء من المشروع العربي الإسلامي معتبرا تصريحات السفير الأمريكي ضد الجماعة تمثل ( وجهة النظر الأمريكية اليمينية المتطرفة، لمحاربة الحركة الإسلامية والتحريض عليها )، الذي يسعى للقضاء على الحركة الإسلامية، من خلال تشجيع بعض الحكام العرب على الإساءة لها، والتغاضي عن ( ذبح ) الديمقراطية.

ووصف الحركة الإسلامية بأنها ( من أنضج الحركات السياسية العربية الملتزمة والمنتمية إلى أمتها وشعوبها) .

Abdullah said...

ya okhti first of all, a general statement like they always disagree with the Jordanian national intrest of Jordan ya3ni keef sho whats the national intrest of Jordan, who decides whats the best for Jordan ya3ni every person has their own views. Ya3ni mosh ili bizagif la Bashar il Assad (whose father killed more than 30000 ikhwan muslimeen by the way in Hama) mosh zai ili bizagif la Bush. Ya3ni so what if they clapped khalas khirib il national interest khirib il economy sho they raised the taxes by doing such a thing. Tayib we come to the Zarqawi issue u yourself said they are divided about it this means that not all of them support them. Second they probably didnt call the christian MP a slave because he is a christian but because he and many other muslim mp's are infact slaves. The topic isnt about them controlling the goverment its about a christian member being pressured into quieting, which civilized way of living the ones in which MPs attack journalists.
As for 7abibi anon1 sho he was a british agent, iza ibtifham u would know that the british killed him and since we brought up this topic on the funeral of Sheikh Hassan al Bana the only man to walk in his funeral was the coptic Baba shnoda. For shiffa this is a link to read to answer the claim that they support terrorists.

http://www.ikhwan-jor.org/makalat/mansor_1.htm

Anonymous said...

Ya3ni mosh ili bizagif la Bashar il Assad (whose father killed more than 30000 ikhwan muslimeen by the way in Hama) mosh zai ili bizagif la Bush

Aboud, Bush gave us 600 million dollars last year, how much Alasad or Iran gave us? Kashal aliehom

Abdullah said...

He also gave us 800,000 Iraqis, and made us spend much more than 600 million on oil costs after we used to get it cheap from saddam. Hatha 3ala mostawa il logha il madiyai il 3aglak bishtighil 3allai, aman ghair haik wallah il miskeen bush did nothing except give us 600 million, ya3ni ma daba7 sha3ib arabi bi akmalo ya3ni..ili bisma3 bigool hal sitmiyit malyoun 7awalat il ordon ta7weel, ya3ni howai il sha3b shaf ishi min hal 600 million. roo7 ishtereelak range oh laflif 3ala jisr il nogaifai oh i7kee keef il ordon sarat mo6a6awira ya sa67i ya madi il tarjamai (shallow materialistic)

Salim said...

Abudallh,
We live in the 21st century, the IAF can not impose their values and ways of living on all Jordanian. If they want to dress in a certain way, drink certain drinks, live their life in solititude if they want so let it be. However they can not decide for others how to live their lives.
The only time that they were represented in the goevernment, they wanted the first thing to close Jarash festival( to kill tourism) then they demanded that RJ stop serving alcohol and all those silly things. So instead to come up with an agenda to solve the country's main promlems and challanges such as unemployment, the lack of water they raise the same freeken slogan"Islam is the soloution" So what is the solution of unemployment in Islam?
Additionally, they presented themselves that they are not interested to obtain power which is bull shit. You only need to look to their partners Hamas. As they ascended to power, they won't give it back even if that meant the starvation of the Palestinan people. Well I have a suggestion to the IAF, they can go and live in Iran or Gaza. They will be happier there.

Shifaa said...

Salim,
You are right on the money. They have appealing slogan that they hide behind but no practical economic or political agenda for Jordan or to the region, particularly the Palestinan issue. Well, may be Jihad and military resistance or war against Israel which is not a viable option at this point. However they might say that they have a political agenda.

I was checking their webside the other day. Their agenda is more philosphical and they talk about values and faith which is great, but they lack and as you said any plan to address Jordan's main challanges today in terms of employment, globalization, technology and tourism. I also agree with you that tourism will be impacted the most if they ascend to power.

Abdullah said...

haha mr. salim some of what u say might be right, dont forget the main argument here was if they respected minorities or not, that dumb guy talked about the economy so i brought up the economic problem our goverment's policies have put us in, nobody said that the IAF is going to make us rich, or even if they are better economicaly, as for the hamas issue first of all they are much more efficient with money than the corrupt fatah will ever be, the thing is that they and the people who voted for them are not going to be blackmailed into selling away political views, you blame the hamas goverment why the world and america is not even allowing donations from the arab world to be transferred by arab banks to the west bank and gaza haha thats simply wrong. Ba3dain please sho hal stereotypes sho live in solitude but not get involved in other peoples lives, not every islamic political party is taliban enough hidden stereotypes, nobody is talking about power, whenever u think the IAF u imagine that they will take power and we would have abu zan6 as our khomeini oh il dinya khara bitseer oh they will beat is in the streets if we kiss a girl hehe, their was an article by shiffa which had alot of misconceptions oh im trying to correct them try to put the other point of view, i can go on saying as any liberal west ammani how i hate the IAF because they smell and have beards, but i think they are more than that, whether they are suitable for political control is another topic maybe u would to like discuss in your next article.

Shifaa said...

Abdually, I apperciate your input. I agree with you. I think that anon remark was insentive and sterotypical. MB is part of the society and remarks of taking them out is outragious in my opintion. In the meantime, I believe that as the MB deserves to live according to their beliefs, they should not impose your opinion and values on others. They should not stop acting as if they represent God on earth.

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