In a strong rebuff to the Bush Administration policy on Iraq, the American Senate approved a nonbinding resolution by presidential candidate Biden(D) that essentially calls for breaking Iraq into three sections: Kurd, Sunni, and Shia. The vote which enjoyed a rare bipartisan consensus in DC clearly indicates a shift within the Senate against the administration's war strategy. Back in the Middle East, the vote was condemned publicly by most Iraqi politicians and news media as well as most Arabic neighbouring countries but one might wonder what those politicians think behind close doors.
Personally, I believe that the vote is symbolic and means nothing especially as it is the Iraqis who should and will determine the future of their country. The real question however remains if Iraqis still believe in the idea of a unified Iraq. In the December 2005 national elections, Shi'ites voted overwhelmingly for Shi'ite religious parties, Sunni Arabs for Sunni religious or nationalist parties, and the Kurds for Kurdish nationalist parties. Fewer than 10% of Iraq's Arabs crossed sectarian lines. The Kurds voted 98.7% for independence in a nonbinding referendum and the Kurdish flag flies over the land of Kurdistan for decades now.
One of the chronic Arabic problems is that we never take initiative. We always cornered ourselves in the reaction corner to condemn, reject and refuse. Here something to think about; how about coming with an alternative plan!
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too all of you out there who try to defend the Americans. here are the representatives of most Americans calling for breaking up of an Arab country. before that, the majority of Americans elected Bush to commit genocide against Arabs.
if anyone ever tell me it the American government that's evil not it's people, I might consider spitting in their face.
Regrettably this sort of talk comes from some he call himself Arab citizen.
If you think and you believe that what you call that In the December 2005 national elections, it’s just some think really inflammatory thoughts and misleading thinking.
I ask Iraq under occupation how we can consider that election is fair and prefects?
The country is under chose there is no security no rule of law the borders are open to full for every one to come, and I believe you well informed that some Israelis who just have some grand grand fathers link to Iraqi were went to your capital city to vote in that fraud Iraqi election.
All this and you come with this misleading talk?
What you think you talking about?
Can some weight their words before put their writing here?
and which elections that what we reach today in Iraq its not more than Iraq handed by US to Iran and its drilling and torturing force in addition the Mossad that working in Iraq from your ground man.
Shame on you who call themselves Arab, Iraq second Palestine and you will fallow Iraq Inshaallah after they break Iraq to cantons belong to Iran and other criminals and gang groups.
BTW, the partitioning game was before the invasion Shifaa did you realized that?
Did you recall the no fly zones in north to protect the Kurds, in south to protect Shiites and now what we see in south is the killing of Iraqi counties by those undefined forces and criminal with drills and torture to all Iraqi despite their believes.
If The Talking Worth Silver, The Silence Will Worth Gold.
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"I am a Zionist," stated Senator Biden. "You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist."
Asked about Jonathan Pollard, sentenced to life-imprisonment for giving classified information to the State of Israel, Senator Biden opened the door to leniency, but not a pardon.
"There's a rationale, in my view, why Pollard should be given leniency. But there is not a rationale to say, 'What happened did not happen and should be pardoned.'"
http://204.186.93.178/news_internal/
news_21.htm
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State Dept: Corruption in Iraq is Classified
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=237024
Shifa,,you know and I know Jordan kuwait,SK,Eygpt and Gulf mini States were some of the countries that helped Goerge Bush to accupy iraq,this is the plane from the get go.
AlurduniAlhurr,
Even though, only Iraqis can stop Iraq from being divided. It is the lack of leadership that only allow others to interfere and dictate their future for them.
I don't care what kind of leadership you have, there is no way in the world ,Iraq could have aborted this invasion
remember Turkey ,when their parliament voted against the use of Turkish territories ,the American turned to Kuwait and Saudis to assist them in providing lunching pads for both ground and air force attacks.
The Arab World gave Iraq on silver platter to the Americans ,the pathetic Arab leadership are part and parcel of this the so called the partition of Iraq.
The Americans want to get out of Iraq, there is no question about it. What happened before the invasion is in the past now. Most Americans want the troops back. The only thing that hold them is the siutation in Iraq; the lack of ethnic and religious reconicliation. If the Iraqi politicians put Iraq first, there is no question that Iraq will stay united, but I won't bid on that.
ياسيد شيفا،اليانكيز لم يئتوا الي العراق حتي يتروكوها، أتوا ال العراق حتي ينهبوها،أكبر سفاره أمريكيه بنيت علي وجه الارض في بغداد وسوف تئوي 3000 موظف وايضأ هناك العديد من القواعد العسكريه تبنا في العراق ونحن نتكلم الان،هل تعتقد امريكا سوف تترك العراق في ضل تخطيط عسكري وتكلفه لم تحدث في تاريخ الامبرطوريات؟؟؟؟؟
Shifaa,
Let dismantle Jordanian Army and police and see if your leadership can control on feet in Jordan.
In regards to US will leave Iraq this dream will not come true unless another empire kill this one, may be we are not in this world if that happen.
Just remember British they did not left by themselves from ME they pest off from the region and they went Sick Empire.
Just one thing here if US admire you and other close friends in ME then they should helped to solve Palestine case or defend you against the occupation of land by Israel, what US did, for the lat 70 or more US work and Britt’s are to protect those kings and Ameers who spending more time offshore than the time they spending inside their country like your king and his family, just count you will find its not hard to calculate.
Anon,
I am not sure if the US is admiring me but thanks for the compliment because I am not sure that I am important enough to be admired by a big country.
I am not personally for divding Iraq. I hope and wish that it stays unified and strong. The post was about the lack of leadership in Iraq to allow others even to think to submit such plans. If there are wise and smart politicans in Iraq who put their interest of their country before theirs then Iraq will be in different place.
Instead of condeming the USA and blames it for all our problems may be we should start acting instead of reacting.
Shifaa,
Apologies that I meant by ‘You” in Jordan as country and leadership.
Shifaa, I know all Arabs as a citizens are not for dividing Iraq, as we all not liked the dividing Arab land after WWI when the Britt’s draw shadow borders in the Arab land which gave those tribes who served the Britt’s at time some benefits which all as citizen we suffering the consequences today and in the future with all the complications of moving from A to B.
Back to topic, Shifaa, and leadership in Iraq, did you think there is no leadership in Iraq? Do you believe there are no people inside Iraq knew how to control Iraq?
But as I said before and I don’t know why people jump the key point in any discussion.
Iraq under occupation here,
Did US did and doing any good inside Iraq?
Why you keep your mind stacking on side blaming Iraqi for what they went through and to?
Why it takes three years to get some chaos and ethnic heated up in Iraq and by whom?
Shifaa, if Iraqi had problem in ethnic structure then these hatred and killing should be surfaced and happened after the fall of Saddam not after two or three years?
Did you speak to Iraqis in Jordan? Did you ask them what they feel?
US did many internal conflicts in many countries where she went in Panama, Salvador , and other place there were no Sunni Shiites Kurds, their but there were gangs commonest groups and other names used to do the Manageable Chaos in those countries.
So in Iraq they find that the religion is the best interest for them and starts the chaos.
You need to understand Iraq under”OCUPPATION” not free each single figure chosen now for reason but that not includes how much his loving to his people and his country did you gets Shifaa or it hard to understand.
"واذا كانت الديمقراطية الغربية هي النموذج المراد وضعه في العراق، فأصل الديمقرطية الغربية هو فصل الدين عن السياسة، وهذا ما لانراه في منهج وسياسة الاحتلال والذي بدأت منذ ما قبل الاحتلال بتشجيع النزعات الطائفية،ـ
فتارة تتكلم عن اضطهاد "السنة للشيعة " وتارة تتكلم عن "المليشيات الشيعية" وتارة تتكلم عن "المسلحين السنة" وتتكلم عن العراق كأنه كانتونات وليس ككيان!ـ
# posted by منير : September 23, 2007 4:23 AM
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:v4uxGGKsoBIJ:www.newwestend.org.uk/magP03/Marva.htm+American+Joseph+Fisher&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz
Shifaa, I forgot to say I agree with you that we have a long way to be smarter and more respectable to humans and more transparence in our life to work in our country not just Iraq also others in ME.
I leave you with this which may help you what the plane for a new ME which will takes decade to be finalized and hope that they fail in their dreams with help from Allah and good people from all Arab land.
Blood borders
How a better Middle East would look
By Ralph Peters
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/
?p=1723
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/
2006/06/1833899
Shifaa,
Read this below and see the SMART Iraq what they done before the invasion and the liberation by those SMART liberators:
If Iraqis are down to near no electricity now, due to the liberators' inability to provide what Saddam Hussein's government did within just months after the 1991 decimation, they won't be able to afford it in the future anyway.
In the country which brought the world writing, the first written records, algebra, astronomy, the wheel, the first time piece, irrigation, the first pharmaceutical college, the ``Epic of Gilgamesh,'' and it is thought, the first university, the universities of Florida and Oklahoma are being drafted in as education ``curricular consultants'' to take advantage of the ``key opportunities in ICT and education.''
It would be interesting to know what the universities can offer to a country which, as with Palestine, prior to the invasion, had the most Ph.D.'s per capita, in the world.
Whose educational system was so exemplary, that UNESCO devised a unique award for Iraq, commenting that it was the only country, in their experience, where a child could be born in abject poverty, of illiterate parents and complete his education to become an architect, engineer, surgeon, or whatever he or she aspired to.
Education was free from kindergarten through university and postgraduate studies abroad.
Panel sessions at the conferences covered the legal environment for conducting business in Iraq, financing the private sector, trade and commerce and private sector banking.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/
news/opinon/2007/10/137_11431.html
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/
news/include/print.asp?newsIdx=11431
Shifaa, Who killed those SMART Iraqi those who built Iraq before those like Jordanians Killer ZARQAWI who have respect of human lives, he is not more than street thug and criminal like his country brother thug Shaker Youssef Al-Absi, off course with Iranians killer but lets don’t forgot those stupid Americans.
I like this comment made by one:
"There's a perfectly good reason for the invasion right there. We needed to liberate the Iraqis from this state-run, socialist educational system, so they could enjoy the same free enterprise system we Americans have and take for granted. You see, poor Arab kids who get their university degrees for free just don't appreciate the value of a good education as much as rich white American kids whose daddies can afford to buy it for them.
Now, assuming things settle down enough for a private Fortune 500 educational consulting company to come in and build some for-profi schools in Iraq, y'all will be able to aspire to the same limited benefits that certain qualifying individuals receive here in the US of A."
Congratulations!"
حكمت محكمة امن الدولة الاردنية الثلاثاء 9-10-2007، بالسجن عامين على نائب سابق، ومعارض للعائلة المالكة لارساله رسائل الكترونية الى الخارج اعتبرتها المحكمة انها تضمنت "اخبارا كاذبة" ومسيئة لهيبة المملكة.
وصدر الحكم على احمد عويدي العبادي (62 عاماً)، بعد محاكمة استمرت شهرين وجاء في توقيت تعرب فيه جماعات حقوق الانسان عن قلقها ازاء ما وصفته بأنه تضييق على الصحافة من قبل السلطات.
واعلنت السلطات هذا الشهر ان المواقع الالكترونية ستخضع لقانون المطبوعات والنشر، وهو ما اعتبره كثيرون نوعا من الرقابة. ويمنع القانون المقالات التي تحتوي على اساءة الى الاديان او التي تضر بالوحدة الوطنية او تسيء للاخلاق العامة.
Welcome the Smart leader and democracy.
Be careful now you are under surveillance, your wires tabbed Shifaa.
They are Smart Leader in corruptions, talking off human rights, tortures not more
They call themselves “Hashemite”, where are they from Al-Khalifa Omar Bin Khatab (رض) standing in front of his nation asking them to correct him for any error they see with their swords!
الاستاذ عبد الكريم القصاب
كتب هذه القصيده
بعيدا عن هذا وذاك
القصيدة
لا . لا تقولوا طائفيه
الدين ليس هو القضيه
لاتستروا سوءاتكم
بعباءة الدين البهيه
كشف الغطا فالكل
مقروء السريرة والسجيه
ليست هناك عقيدة
ليست هناك مبدئيه
هي شهوة المال المحرم
والكراسي الزئبقيه
هي عقدة الراعي الذي
يسعى لاذلال الرعيه
هي فتنة الغازي الذي
صرتم لمقدمه مطيه
اليت ان اضع النقاط على الحروف
بلا رويه
فاذا استبيح ثرى العراق . دم العراق
فلا تقيه
ياثلة النكرات والشبهات
والمتع الشهيه
لا تغرسوا شوك الشقاق بباقة
الورد الزكيه
انا بكل نسيجنا
شعب توحده الرزيه
بعض يكمل اخرا
انا حروف الابجديه
ياقيح . ياقيء السياسة
ياشوائب جاهليه
لاتدعوا وطنية
لاتدعوا حفظ الوصيه
مابين اعداء العراق
وبينكم واو المعيه
انتم اصابع . خلفها
كمنت اياد اجنبيه
شرقا خناجر كسرويه
غربا سيوف بني اميه
ومن الشمال الانكشاريون
والعقد الخفيه
ومن الجنوب سعودها
وذيوله . شر البليه
مليءالعراق جهالة
وعمالة وسواد نيه
وعمائما . طياتها
ضمت عشائر بربريه
وطن تسيده الرعاع
الفاقدون الادميه
الحاقدون . السارقون
القاتلون على الهويه
لم تبق في وطني لشعب المجد
من فرح بقيه
لم يبقى الا الرعب
والخطف المنظم والمنيه
شعب تسربل بالظلام
وبالدماء الشاعريه
بغبار سبي الابرياء
وبالسياط القاعديه
في كل ثانية ضحيه
في كل خاصرة شظيه
ماذا تغير في العراق ؟ وما الجديد ؟
وما الهديه ؟
صنم هوى . لتحل أصنام .
فتتسع الرزيه
لا . للقرود الداخليه
لا للذئاب الخارجيه
يا أمة العرب التي
كانت منارا للبريه
اين الحمية والحمى ؟
ان للحميه يعربيه
ماهكذا يصل السكوت عن
العروش الخيبريه
ياقادة العرب ارعووا
لاترقصو حول الضحيه
ماهكذا تصل النذالة
ياعبيد السامريه
لاتحسبوا يوما تقاد
بحبلكم نفس أبيه
Next time you and others who like to speck about Iraq go do your homework before puts and speck, supporting US or any western power and their theories with count on them as real geniuses friends you should know they are NOT Friends as such they looking and more concerned about their interests and strategies even if that required killing 25 million Iraqi or 100,000 Arab with the support of regimes like Jordan, Egypt, Saudi and those shaky gulf tribes
كل هذه الكوارث تجري ويقابلها المجتمع الدولي بلا مبالاة مفرطة. ويستمر الأمريكان، من جانبهم، في عنادهم بالقول إنهم يقومون بنشر الديمقراطية في الشرق الأوسط لأن شعوبه بأمسّ الحاجة لها! هذا في الوقت الذي تبيّن فيه أن الديمقراطية التي أقاموها في العراق كانت طائفية، وأنها جاءت بمتطرف شيعي ذي عقلية انتقامية رئيسا للوزراء، ومتطرف سلفي على حافة عدم التوازن رئيسا لمجلس النواب. أما النواب فقد جرى انتخابهم على أساس الفتاوى الطائفية والتلاعب من كل نوع، (الكثير منهم يعترف بذلك في مجالسه الخاصة). وأعضاء البرلمان هؤلاء، مثلهم مثل أعضاء الحكومة، ليس لديهم من شاغل سوى السفر والتجوال في عواصم الدول الأجنبية، كونه الوسيلة الوحيدة للتهرب من مواجهة الحقائق المرة لشعب يموت بشكل يومي.
http://www.asharqalawsat.com/leader.asp?section=3&article=442142&issue=10553
Shifaa, just to say to you and all those Arabs like you who believes and taken about Iraqi election and voting under occupation read this from a man who was in Iraq close to those thugs and thieves who get elected.
Next time you and others who like to speck about Iraq go do your homework before puts and speck, supporting US or any western power and their theories with count on them as real geniuses friends you should know they are NOT Friends as such they looking and more concerned about their interests and strategies even if that required killing 25 million Iraqi or 100,000 Arab with the support of regimes like Jordan, Egypt, Saudi and those shaky gulf tribes
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